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    <title>Is that spyware on your blog? (Or are you just glad to see me?)</title>
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    <published>2007-04-13T17:29:38-05:00</published>
    <updated>2007-04-13T17:43:14-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>Laura Scott</name>
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    <category term="advertising" />
    <category term="contempt for the consumer" />
    <category term="cookies" />
    <category term="Google Analytics" />
    <category term="SiteMeter" />
    <category term="spyware" />
    <category term="StatCounter" />
    <category term="Things I&#039;m Liking" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Recently my longest-used website statistics service, <a href="http://blog.statcounter.com/?p=4">StatCounter, posted a boast</a> about how they turned away big advertisers who wanted to embed spyware cookies into the StatCounter tracking code. They also hinted that another big web stats company did not say no, and is planting spyware into their clients' websites on behalf of undisclosed advertisers.</p>
<blockquote><p>You install StatCounter to track visitors to your site NOT to open yourself and your visitors up to being spied upon by phantom advertising corporations.</p>
<p>It appears, however, that other players in the world of webstats were happy to take up this offer… </p>
<p>We were <strong>shocked </strong>to discover just today that another well known stats provider is allowing up to 9 cookies to be installed in the browser of every visitor that hits one of their member websites. This means that the provider is making money by transmitting data on you and your visitors to a third party advertiser. Not only that, but to add insult to injury, the cookies are causing the member websites to load very slowly too. </p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yikes.</p>
<p>Commenters weren't so coy. And neither were <a href="http://jdonline.us/blog/2007/03/22/so-long-to-sitemeter-you-wont-be-missed/">other bloggers</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Although SiteMeter has some really useful tools and information, I value your privacy and I will not tolerate this sort of behavior, therefore I’ve removed it completely from the site. I will now be switching to <a href="https://www.google.com/analytics/">Google Analytics</a> for stats and don’t expect any more problems of this nature. After all Google is known to be one of the most non-evil businesses there is and that is just perfect for The Best in Life.</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="http://troubled-diva.com/2007_04_01_troubled-diva_archive.html#8147823774711273574">troubled diva</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>After five and a half happy years of stats-watching, I have just ditched <a href="http://www.sitemeter.com/">SiteMeter</a> from this site.</p>
<p>The reason?  The SiteMeter Javascript has started serving calls to <strong>specificclick.net</strong>, which attempts to place site-tracking cookies (a.k.a. spyware) on your machine. Not only is this Bad and Wrong - it's also Dead Slow and A Bit Crap Really. Especially if you're still using Internet Explorer, which has been noticeably slow in loading this site for quite a while now.</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="http://suburbanhen.blogspot.com/2007/03/statcounter.html">Suburban Hen</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>So, if you aren't sure if your provider has your best interests at heart and that bothers you, switch. I realise this isn't appealing to those who are a bit attached to that number at the bottom (side, top, centre...WHATEVER) of their web page, but quite frankly, surreptitious loading of cookies onto peoples computers to drag more money out of our arses is not that appealing either.</p>
<p>Just sayin'.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>As it turns out, <a href="http://paretologic.com/resources/definitions.aspx?remove=specificclick%20cookie">the specificclick cookie</a> set by SiteMeter "tracks browsing activity." Seems innocuous enough, until you consider that it's tracking <i>all</i> browsing activity, not just clicks on that site where the cookie is set. Meaning they know where you bank, what discussion forums you visit, what, ahem, <i>other</i> websites you might be viewing on the sly.</p>
<p>In a comment on The Best Things in Life: Free, <a href="http://jdonline.us/blog/2007/03/22/so-long-to-sitemeter-you-wont-be-missed/#comment-1406">west writes</a> of an email he received from SiteMeter, which proclaimed:</p>
<blockquote><p>Over the next few months we will be rolling out enhancements to our service that will offer you more information about your users like their other content interests and demographics (a la Quantcast).</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I don't know about you, but to me that sounds like, well, <i>spying</i>.</p>
<p>I ran a test: Cleared all my cookies on Opera, which I hardly ever use, and visited <a href="http://pingv.com">my business website</a>. Sure enough, StatCounter is clean: one single cookie, which they use to track visitor behavior <i>on your own site</i>. </p>
<p><img src="http://rarepattern.com/system/files/google-analytics-cookies.png" alt="Google Analytics cookies" title="Screenshot of cookies set in Opera by Google Analytics" class="wrap" />Google Analytics, however, is especially sneaky: It sets <i>four</i> cookies and pretends they are set by the site itself. One of these cookies doesn't expire until <i>2036</i>! Another expires in ... <i>1969</i>.</p>
<p>I have no idea what Google is doing with these cookies. It seems rather sneaky to mask them as belonging to the site owner, though I suppose that arguably can make their stats more meaningful, as presumably quite a few people set their browsers to block the setting of all cookies except for those originating from the visited site itself.</p>
<p>As for SiteMeter, I can't say I cared for their service in the first place. I had tried them years ago, but never stuck. Needless to say, I won't be going back any time soon. Where things stand with SiteMeter's spyware policy now, I'm not sure. <a href="http://www.askshane.org/briefly/sitemeterspecific-media-update.php">Shane offers this update</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Two and a half weeks after <a href="http://blog.statcounter.com/?p=4">StatCounter broke the story</a> and it began to spread across the web, SiteMeter has begun to respond to the issue both <a href="http://www.askshane.org/blogging-basics/sitemeter-sending-your-readers-data-to-specific-media.php#comment-707">in the comments</a> of <a href="http://www.askshane.org/blogging-basics/sitemeter-sending-your-readers-data-to-specific-media.php">my post</a> and at much greater length <a href="http://conservablogs.com/EricOdom/2007/04/09/sitemeter-spyware-saga-continues/">in the comments on Eric Odem’s</a>.</p>
<p>Despite that, though, I can still not find not find the official response they say is on <a href="http://weblog.sitemeter.com/">their own blog</a>, nor have they directly addressed many of the specific issues that people have reported. I hate that because I have a feeling they really haven’t done anything wrong, but their damage control isn’t helping them at all.</p>
</blockquote>
<p></p>
<p><a href="http://michaelsync.net/2007/04/11/things-you-should-know-before-using-sitemeter/">Michael Sync has a helpful public service kind of post</a> for those not all that familiar with cookies or how to deal with them.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I'm glad I've been using StatCounter.</p>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Recently my longest-used website statistics service, <a href="http://blog.statcounter.com/?p=4">StatCounter, posted a boast</a> about how they turned away big advertisers who wanted to embed spyware cookies into the StatCounter tracking code. They also hinted that another big web stats company did not say no, and is planting spyware into their clients' websites on behalf of undisclosed advertisers.</p>
<blockquote><p>You install StatCounter to track visitors to your site NOT to open yourself and your visitors up to being spied upon by phantom advertising corporations.</p>
<p>It appears, however, that other players in the world of webstats were happy to take up this offer… </p>
<p>We were <strong>shocked </strong>to discover just today that another well known stats provider is allowing up to 9 cookies to be installed in the browser of every visitor that hits one of their member websites. This means that the provider is making money by transmitting data on you and your visitors to a third party advertiser. Not only that, but to add insult to injury, the cookies are causing the member websites to load very slowly too. </p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yikes.</p>
<p>Commenters weren't so coy. And neither were <a href="http://jdonline.us/blog/2007/03/22/so-long-to-sitemeter-you-wont-be-missed/">other bloggers</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Although SiteMeter has some really useful tools and information, I value your privacy and I will not tolerate this sort of behavior, therefore I’ve removed it completely from the site. I will now be switching to <a href="https://www.google.com/analytics/">Google Analytics</a> for stats and don’t expect any more problems of this nature. After all Google is known to be one of the most non-evil businesses there is and that is just perfect for The Best in Life.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://troubled-diva.com/2007_04_01_troubled-diva_archive.html#8147823774711273574">troubled diva</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>After five and a half happy years of stats-watching, I have just ditched <a href="http://www.sitemeter.com/">SiteMeter</a> from this site.</p>
<p>The reason?  The SiteMeter Javascript has started serving calls to <strong>specificclick.net</strong>, which attempts to place site-tracking cookies (a.k.a. spyware) on your machine. Not only is this Bad and Wrong - it's also Dead Slow and A Bit Crap Really. Especially if you're still using Internet Explorer, which has been noticeably slow in loading this site for quite a while now.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://suburbanhen.blogspot.com/2007/03/statcounter.html">Suburban Hen</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>So, if you aren't sure if your provider has your best interests at heart and that bothers you, switch. I realise this isn't appealing to those who are a bit attached to that number at the bottom (side, top, centre...WHATEVER) of their web page, but quite frankly, surreptitious loading of cookies onto peoples computers to drag more money out of our arses is not that appealing either.</p>
<p>Just sayin'.</p></blockquote>
<p>As it turns out, <a href="http://paretologic.com/resources/definitions.aspx?remove=specificclick%20cookie">the specificclick cookie</a> set by SiteMeter "tracks browsing activity." Seems innocuous enough, until you consider that it's tracking <i>all</i> browsing activity, not just clicks on that site where the cookie is set. Meaning they know where you bank, what discussion forums you visit, what, ahem, <i>other</i> websites you might be viewing on the sly.</p>
<p>In a comment on The Best Things in Life: Free, <a href="http://jdonline.us/blog/2007/03/22/so-long-to-sitemeter-you-wont-be-missed/#comment-1406">west writes</a> of an email he received from SiteMeter, which proclaimed:</p>
<blockquote><p>Over the next few months we will be rolling out enhancements to our service that will offer you more information about your users like their other content interests and demographics (a la Quantcast).</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't know about you, but to me that sounds like, well, <i>spying</i>.</p>
<p>I ran a test: Cleared all my cookies on Opera, which I hardly ever use, and visited <a href="http://pingv.com">my business website</a>. Sure enough, StatCounter is clean: one single cookie, which they use to track visitor behavior <i>on your own site</i>. </p>
<p><img src="http://rarepattern.com/system/files/google-analytics-cookies.png" alt="Google Analytics cookies" title="Screenshot of cookies set in Opera by Google Analytics" class="wrap" />Google Analytics, however, is especially sneaky: It sets <i>four</i> cookies and pretends they are set by the site itself. One of these cookies doesn't expire until <i>2036</i>! Another expires in ... <i>1969</i>.</p>
<p>I have no idea what Google is doing with these cookies. It seems rather sneaky to mask them as belonging to the site owner, though I suppose that arguably can make their stats more meaningful, as presumably quite a few people set their browsers to block the setting of all cookies except for those originating from the visited site itself.</p>
<p>As for SiteMeter, I can't say I cared for their service in the first place. I had tried them years ago, but never stuck. Needless to say, I won't be going back any time soon. Where things stand with SiteMeter's spyware policy now, I'm not sure. <a href="http://www.askshane.org/briefly/sitemeterspecific-media-update.php">Shane offers this update</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Two and a half weeks after <a href="http://blog.statcounter.com/?p=4">StatCounter broke the story</a> and it began to spread across the web, SiteMeter has begun to respond to the issue both <a href="http://www.askshane.org/blogging-basics/sitemeter-sending-your-readers-data-to-specific-media.php#comment-707">in the comments</a> of <a href="http://www.askshane.org/blogging-basics/sitemeter-sending-your-readers-data-to-specific-media.php">my post</a> and at much greater length <a href="http://conservablogs.com/EricOdom/2007/04/09/sitemeter-spyware-saga-continues/">in the comments on Eric Odem’s</a>.</p>
<p>Despite that, though, I can still not find not find the official response they say is on <a href="http://weblog.sitemeter.com/">their own blog</a>, nor have they directly addressed many of the specific issues that people have reported. I hate that because I have a feeling they really haven’t done anything wrong, but their damage control isn’t helping them at all.</p>
</blockquote>
<p></p>
<p><a href="http://michaelsync.net/2007/04/11/things-you-should-know-before-using-sitemeter/">Michael Sync has a helpful public service kind of post</a> for those not all that familiar with cookies or how to deal with them.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I'm glad I've been using StatCounter.</p>
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